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	<title>Comments on: Setting: The Foundation From Which Cyberpunk is Built</title>
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		<title>By: heajerforasse</title>
		<link>http://blogs.p2pu.org/cyberpunk/2009/09/28/setting-the-foundation-from-which-cyberpunk-is-built/comment-page-1/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>heajerforasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 07:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really enjoyed reading this article, keep on creating such interesting articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed reading this article, keep on creating such interesting articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadeem Shabir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadeem Shabir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think its strange that cyberpunk settings are realistic because they are gritty and dirty. I think they reason the settings are so realistic is because the real world is gritty and dirty, and we can relate to that.

&quot;They are not hard to envision as a possible future. They are, I think, essentially today’s society and culture as the author thinks it might be if we have access to tomorrow’s technology and science.&quot;

I do agree with that and I think you&#039;ve summed that up beautifully, especially when you observed that technology can be used for good or for ill.

Coincidentally, as I re-read you&#039;re piece today I noticed a TED talk in my Feed Reader that chimes with this, by Evgeny Morozov, entitled &quot;How the Net aids dictatorships&quot;

http://www.ted.com/talks/evgeny_morozov_is_the_internet_what_orwell_feared.html

It&#039;s interesting that the internet as we know it or the NET in Ghost in the Shell, or Gibson&#039;s Matrix etc. often seem to represent a kind of freedom that doesnt exist in the real world for the protagonists. This environment is a key part of the setting in any Cyberpunk story, it was interesting to listen to Morozov&#039; illustrate how, in the real world, like any tool its been used to oppress people ... scary :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think its strange that cyberpunk settings are realistic because they are gritty and dirty. I think they reason the settings are so realistic is because the real world is gritty and dirty, and we can relate to that.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are not hard to envision as a possible future. They are, I think, essentially today’s society and culture as the author thinks it might be if we have access to tomorrow’s technology and science.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do agree with that and I think you&#8217;ve summed that up beautifully, especially when you observed that technology can be used for good or for ill.</p>
<p>Coincidentally, as I re-read you&#8217;re piece today I noticed a TED talk in my Feed Reader that chimes with this, by Evgeny Morozov, entitled &#8220;How the Net aids dictatorships&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/evgeny_morozov_is_the_internet_what_orwell_feared.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/talks/evgeny_morozov_is_the_internet_what_orwell_feared.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting that the internet as we know it or the NET in Ghost in the Shell, or Gibson&#8217;s Matrix etc. often seem to represent a kind of freedom that doesnt exist in the real world for the protagonists. This environment is a key part of the setting in any Cyberpunk story, it was interesting to listen to Morozov&#8217; illustrate how, in the real world, like any tool its been used to oppress people &#8230; scary <img src='http://blogs.p2pu.org/cyberpunk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: rebeccakahn</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebeccakahn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 17:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree - I think the familiarity of the setting is essential, and one of the main sources of the unease that most cyberpunk seems to elicit in me. It really does feel like these scenarios are just around the corner, doesn&#039;t it? 

I wonder if it would be possible to write a cyberpunk novel in which the characters are not set up in conflict/contrast to the setting. It always seems that they&#039;re hustling the system and the environment to survive, and maybe without the hustle, it wouldn&#039;t be cyberpunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8211; I think the familiarity of the setting is essential, and one of the main sources of the unease that most cyberpunk seems to elicit in me. It really does feel like these scenarios are just around the corner, doesn&#8217;t it? </p>
<p>I wonder if it would be possible to write a cyberpunk novel in which the characters are not set up in conflict/contrast to the setting. It always seems that they&#8217;re hustling the system and the environment to survive, and maybe without the hustle, it wouldn&#8217;t be cyberpunk.</p>
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